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Fisher Cutbait
08-25-2011, 09:11 AM
From the "Free steaks at Outback thread":


Outback is OK, but I quit going to restaurants for steak years ago once I realized I could cook one just as good as they can, at a fraction of the price. The key is waiting until your local store puts whole rib eyes on sale. Once a month or so the local stores will put whole rib eyes on sale for around $5 a pound for select grade, or $6 a pound for choice grade, and will cut them free however you want.

The key is to get them cut thick. Usually when you buy steaks in a grocery they are cut too thin. A thick steak always cooks better than a thin steak - thick steaks can get a good sear on the outside while still being tender/rare on the inside. Thin steaks are too well done by the time you get a sear on the outside. So I buy a whole rib eye and have them cut them 1 1/2 inches thick. The steaks will be large, but my wife and I can split one if we have a big baked potato on the side. Sharing a thick steak is so much better than having 2 separate thin steaks. And if you have more people, just cook more steaks and split them in 2 after cooking and resting.

A whole rib eye runs around $80 - $90, but I get 10 or 11 thick steaks from it. So splitting that into 2 portions per steak, it comes out to $4.50 per person. And you know how much Outback and any other steak house will charge you. Do the math. And over the years I have perfected my steak technique to be as tasty (or better) than they can do anyway. Add that to the fact that you sometimes have to wait around for a table and its a no-brainer. It kills me the times we are with a group and have to go to a steak joint, and my wife leans over and says "Your steaks taste better than this", and then I get the bill.

Mmmm, typing this is making me hungry. I think I will pull one of our rib eyes out of the freezer for dinner.

I'm in a good mood. I'm going fishing this weekend and I have hardly been at all this summer because of a new baby. I'm going to post my steak recipe on the recipe board to share with everyone.

Most fancy chefs will tell you that a good steak requires no marinade. This is true. But just because a good steak doesn't require a marinade, doesn't mean that a marinade will be bad. After years of eating un-marinaded steaks, I enjoy the variety of adding an extra layer of flavor that you can taste in the meat. I marinate my steaks in equal parts soy sauce, Worcestershire sauce, and red wine.

Now the key to a great steak is a good sear on the outside that will seal in the juices on the inside. To get that you need a really really hot hot hot grill. Screaming hot. I recommend using lump charcoal instead of briquettes.

Lump charcoal burns way hotter than briquettes. Way hotter. In fact, if you start your charcoal in a charcoal chimney you can see the flames burning in a blue color, which indicates extreme heat. But like all things that burn brightest, it doesn't last as long. So lump is good for steaks and burgers that cook quickly, but it doesn't last long enough for slow cooked meats like chicken or ribs. And once its ready you can't wait long before putting the meat on like you can with briquettes, you have to be ready to go. But another good thing about lump charcoal other than the intense heat is the amount of smoke it produces. No wood chips needed. You will see the smoke bellowing out of your closed grill. And you really can taste the smoke in the meat, adding yet another layer of flavor.

So you've got your lump charcoal heating up, and your steak marinating. After my coals are all lit in my chimney I empty them into the grill and let the grates heat up for a few minutes while I prep the steaks. I remove the steaks from the marinade and pat them dry with paper towels. DON'T THROW AWAY THE MARINADE Then I sprinkle each side with granulated garlic, granulated onion, kosher salt, and freshly ground black pepper (you should only use kosher salt on meat, as regular salt will draw moisture out of the meat).

My grill has cast iron grates, which like a cast iron skillet can get screaming hot, way hotter than porcelain or steel grates. It's a Char-Griller brand grill, pretty inexpensive at Lowes or Home Depot, and one of the few I've seen with cast iron grates. Cast iron really makes a big difference. When you drop the steaks on a screaming hot grill, you can hear the difference. Close the grill cover, wait 2 or 3 minutes, rotate the steaks (without flipping them) so the grill marks can cover more area, and grill a couple of minutes more. After 4-5 minutes total on one side, flip them and repeat. After you flip them, you can pour some of the marinade over the top to re-moisturize the steak and also fall into the coals making more smoke. Cover the grill and watch the immense amount of smoke bellowing out. Yum. After 4-5 minutes on the other side then both sides will be seared.

If your steak is thin, they will be done already. But if you were smart and got a thick steak, then it may not quite be done in the middle yet. Move it to the top rack to finish cooking, and pour some more of the leftover marinade on it.

When is it done? You can't tell by looking at it. Since different piles of coal may burn at different temperatures, you can't tell just by the cooking time. Some chefs tell by touch. But I don't take any chances - I cheat with an instant-read thermometer. I like my steaks seared on the outside and pink on the inside, which is right when they hit 130 degrees in the center. Once you experiment a little and decide exactly what temperature you like yours, you can consistently reproduce the perfect steak (or chicken, or whatever) just the way you like it. If you use a thermometer, you can make your food consistent every single time. It really is the key to consistency, and you will never be disappointed to cut into meat and find it over done and ruined. I like my steaks at 130, and my chicken and pork tenderloins at 155, but that's just me. And ALWAYS let any meat rest for 5 minutes before cutting into it. Then the juices are absorbed into the meat itself. Otherwise, the juices run out on the plate and your meat is dryer.

When I eat these steaks, I can actually taste the meat, the marinade, the rub, and the smoke separately. All of the separate layers of flavor come together beautifully.

If you have a gas grill, you could still use some of the tricks above, but why bother? A gas grill is nothing more than an outdoor oven. The main argument gas grill owners use is that it can get going in just a few minutes. But lump charcoal (unlike briquettes) can be ready in 15 minutes using a chimney. And if good food isn't worth spending 15 extra minutes on, then it isn't worth eating in the first place. And in those 15 minutes you can be prepping the rest of your dinner anyway.

valvguy1
08-25-2011, 06:00 PM
Thanks for posting this. I wonder....... do we have anyone here who cooked at Ruth Chris' or something similar. I wou d love to know HOW they go about cooking their steaks.

Red Slayer
08-25-2011, 08:19 PM
Wow! Thanks for the info. I do like rare steaks and that is the way to go. I need to get a charcoal grill. I am a smoker by preference. I am a long slow cooker for pork, chicken, turkey, and ribs. I need to learn the art of cooking fast though to do steaks, then i will not have to go out to eat. Like I said in the other post tho, go find the nearest Whole Foods Market and get the grass fed beef. You will pay a premium, but if flavor is what makes the steak then you cannot get a more tender, more flavorful piece of cow. The only beef i normally cook is brisket(takes me 2 days) and prime rib. I want to do a prime rib in combo, sear, then toss it in the smoker to finish. I follow the same rules as your steak tho, I place it in a 550 oven for 20 minutes, then kill the heat, back it down to 225 till inside temp is 140, rest for 5 minutes(will go to 145), and you have a perfect rare primus ribus!

valvguy1
08-25-2011, 08:37 PM
Probably the best "steak" I ever had was at a casino in Bay St. Louis. My Father in Law said come on let me show you something. He got the guy carving the prime rib to carve off 2 pieces about 1 1/2 thick. Then the guy took them over to a Flattop and seared them on both sides. Man..... that was some good.

pistol
08-25-2011, 09:23 PM
Valvguy-i didnt work at ruths but i have worked in a kitchen that used the same oven for a gut that was the chef of a ruths and basically salt and pepper and olive oil. we would keep the plates in our convection oven and put butter on it to serve. Its really the oven they use, its an 1800 degree broiler cooks evenly

Fishorcutbait- searing a peice of meat does nothing to seal in juice, that is a myth. What is happening is called the maillard reaction it carmelizes the meat and you get a sweeter flavor. I cook a lot of steaks sous vide and then use a blow torch to get this reaction. Also any salt draws out moisture including kosher, salt breaks down the cell walls which allows moisture to escape. Next time try this salt your steak the day before you want to cook it put it in the fridgwe over nite then cook it. Thats one of those fancy chef tricks

Fisher Cutbait
08-26-2011, 08:10 AM
Thanks for posting this. I wonder....... do we have anyone here who cooked at Ruth Chris' or something similar. I wou d love to know HOW they go about cooking their steaks.


Its really the oven they use, its an 1800 degree broiler cooks evenly


This. 1800 degrees makes a great steak.

Fisher Cutbait
08-26-2011, 08:15 AM
Fishorcutbait- searing a peice of meat does nothing to seal in juice, that is a myth.
I won't disagree. The main thing is good sear = better steak. It is obvious when I have to cook them at my in-laws house on their gas grill and can't get the sear I am used to. I can really tell the difference.


Also any salt draws out moisture including kosher, salt breaks down the cell walls which allows moisture to escape.

Won't disagree either. I add the salt immediately before I put them on the grill so there is no time to draw out any moisture. Much of the rub ends up staying on the grates, but just enough sears into the meat to add just the hint of flavor I like.

Fisher Cutbait
08-26-2011, 08:17 AM
Probably the best "steak" I ever had was at a casino in Bay St. Louis. My Father in Law said come on let me show you something. He got the guy carving the prime rib to carve off 2 pieces about 1 1/2 thick. Then the guy took them over to a Flattop and seared them on both sides. Man..... that was some good.

Prime rib = big ol' ribeye

FatGuyPedaling
08-26-2011, 10:42 AM
RuthChris and the like have commercial broilers that can get temps much hotter than the home oven or most outdoor grills (the exception is possibly, the Big Green Egg, $$$)

Realized that I hadn't read as closely as I thought. Question had been answered, and if the 1800 degree info is correct, not even a Big Green Egg produces that kinda heat.

bigredbobber
08-26-2011, 10:59 AM
You can buy a Salamander oven for the home that gets pretty close.

pistol
08-26-2011, 07:06 PM
Fishorcutbait try sea salt, it is so much better than kosher. and searing does give better flavor, My favorite method of cooking a steak is in a cast iron skillet and finishing it in an oven. I also use a 3:1:1 ratio of salt pepper and white pepper. when I throw it in the oven 500degrees I will put a chunk of butter in the skillet

bayoufrogg
08-27-2011, 08:22 AM
I would always grill with lump charcoal until I tried a ribeye in the oven.

Put the oven on broil and stick that rack as close to the broiler as possible, leaving the oven door open. This quick caramelization makes for an excellent steak; its what Ruth Chris does, but I can't get my oven "quite" that hot. 3 minutes on each side, and then 3 minutes on center rack with oven door closed = medium rare.

In terms of tenderness:
Raw meats and overcooked meats will always be chewy. Medium rare is the way to go for the "tenderest" meat. There is enough denaturized Myosin in a medium rare steak to make it tender, but still enough native (unchanged) Actin to keep the steak moist. Mess with that balance and you will loose tenderness, juiciness, or the combination of both.

Raw meats, with little or no protein (Myosin) denaturization, will be chewy because the peptide bonds aren't broken down. Overcooked meats will be chewy because of cellular and interstitial dehydration, combined with too much denaturized/changed/cooked Actin.

Take home point. You want a juicier, more tender steak, go medium rare. And oh yes..... as someone mentioned.....buy the good stuff in thick cuts.

lcf8088
08-27-2011, 05:30 PM
What I have learned to get the best steak is to salt it one day before on a rack in the fridge. If you can't do that right before you cook. Make sure the meat is close to room temp before the sear. Add your pepper and oil before you sear. I don't ever cook a steak on the grill, I leave that for the chicken and ribs.

I do it two ways either like in a previous post with the broiler works well or with lump charcoal. Now, I don't grill technically but I do use three things similar if I'm cooking a steak just for myself. A small grill rack, a chimney, and lump charcoal. Put the coal in the chimney and light it. Put the grill between two cinderblocks or something with the steak on the middle. When your coal is red hot put the chimney on top of the steak. This creates a natural broiler. After two or so minutes lift the chimney and flip the steak and repeat. Now you can cook it to desired doneness buy placing the grill and steak on top of the chimney with a metal bowl on top to make kind of an oven if you want it a bit more done.

bayoufrogg
08-27-2011, 06:26 PM
its creates a natural broiler on top of the steak, but do you use a barrier? I imagine with this method, you would get charcoal/ash on the steak. They say charbroiled meats may potentially cause cancer; I would only assume eating straight ash/charcoal takes you right to the source!

Troutman
09-26-2011, 07:12 AM
Heck with Ruth Chris's steaks. Did you know they only have one prime steak on the menu? If you want the best steak go to Mr. John's in New Orleans off St. Charles.