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jonalford
03-13-2011, 06:32 PM
Is the rudder suppose to lock in the down position on those old Hobies like it does in the up position. My rudder keeps wanting to ride up when I get going fast and makes turning hard. It is fine when pedaling slow.
I tried to adjust the lines and that helped a little.

yak-aholic
03-13-2011, 06:47 PM
I know on the new ones with stow-n-go there is a cam cleat on the up and down pull ropes so you can lock it in both positions.

Racechaser
03-13-2011, 07:20 PM
Is the rudder suppose to lock in the down position on those old Hobies like it does in the up position. My rudder keeps wanting to ride up when I get going fast and makes turning hard. It is fine when pedaling slow.
I tried to adjust the lines and that helped a little.

My old Outback without twist and stow did not lock.
Another thing to check is "T" looking piece holding rudder. Without twist n stow they become damaged and bent.

You have nothing to compare to but look if it is bent and keeping rudder from going all the way down. Just straightened rudder on one of my Sports a couple of weeks ago.

jonalford
03-13-2011, 07:24 PM
it goes all the way down just wants to ride up when I get going fast and try to turn.

Racechaser
03-13-2011, 08:20 PM
May not be anything wrong with it then. Does it turn correctly or is it better one way over other?

marshdaddy
03-13-2011, 09:11 PM
Mine doesn't try to ride up. Slow or ,,,,,well not real fast, but faster than slow, it stays down. I don't think they're supposed to ride up.

jonalford
03-13-2011, 09:23 PM
This is what I am working with. I assume the rudder is suppose to be tilted like that?
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj33/jamiealford/march2011004-2.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj33/jamiealford/march2011005-1.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj33/jamiealford/march2011006-1.jpg

ijuswannafish
03-13-2011, 09:27 PM
Is there a spot for the rudder to attach at the bottom? That just does not look right.

jonalford
03-13-2011, 10:01 PM
Yeah the rudder attaches at the bottom but in the middle of the boat. Almost seems like the rudder should be strait up and down.

ijuswannafish
03-13-2011, 10:02 PM
I think it should be straight up and down. You might want to take it to Massey's and see if Blake can help you.

jonalford
03-13-2011, 10:04 PM
you can see the screw head on the bottom of the boat where the rudder attaches.I just disconnected it while I was fooling with it.

Racechaser
03-13-2011, 10:07 PM
Looks bent to me. It should be straight up and down. I can bring one of mine or take a pic to show you.

Racechaser
03-13-2011, 10:08 PM
How far are you from interstate?

Racechaser
03-13-2011, 10:14 PM
Looking at third picture, the rudder needs to be bent to the right as you see it from that vantage.

jonalford
03-13-2011, 10:16 PM
about 8- 10 miles
So it is suppose to be straight up and down? that is what it looked like the more I got to thinking about it

Racechaser
03-13-2011, 10:21 PM
I'll take a picture tomorrow of mine for you. I can bring one of mine for you to look at if you want.

jonalford
03-13-2011, 10:31 PM
thanks
So you just cut and re welded it?
Would one of those other twist rudders mount up to it?

Racechaser
03-13-2011, 10:39 PM
No you just gently and slowly twist it straight. Or buy a new one for about 20 bucks.

jonalford
03-13-2011, 11:13 PM
yep just saw one on line supposed to be straight cost $40

theoldcaster
03-14-2011, 03:28 PM
jonalford, I had no idea that the rudder was not correct, having never seen a classic before this one, I will be glad to share the cost of the repair with you!

jonalford
03-14-2011, 05:53 PM
I actually bent it back and it works fine now. When I put the rudder down now it locks in that position.The boat is very fast and turns fine now both ways evenly. In fact I got it going pretty good and was trying to watch the rudder while I turned and almost flipped it because it turned much sharper than the other day. I think I am gonna hang on to it for a while it just paddles effortlessly even going against the wind.
In fact gonna get some flush mount rod holders this week for it.

Racechaser
03-14-2011, 06:40 PM
Good for you. I was just about to post pics.

Racechaser
03-14-2011, 07:16 PM
Here are pics if anyone else has a steering problem with their Hobie. Mine bends often if I'm not careful moving it around. The steering is the main reason I got rid of Outback. I wanted Twist and Stow and the sailing rudder.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt116/scotthill_1/b824618a.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt116/scotthill_1/c6f9f7d4.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt116/scotthill_1/2c1e5a89.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt116/scotthill_1/7c9e7caf.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt116/scotthill_1/24ce9266.jpg

jonalford
03-14-2011, 10:06 PM
Thanks for your help. It works great but that rudder is definitely something that can easily be damaged. Glad to know you can still get replacement ones. I wish i could replace it with one of those twist and stow ones.

Racechaser
03-14-2011, 10:15 PM
Thanks for your help. It works great but that rudder is definitely something that can easily be damaged. Glad to know you can still get replacement ones. I wish i could replace it with one of those twist and stow ones.

That was one of my wish list items for Chris Holmes to take to Hobie when they asked for input.

If I could have gotten twist and stow I would have kept my Outback forever. It was well cared for with no leaks. The bottom looked brand new. Scuttle got a great boat.

That brace for yours sells on ebay sometimes for $19.00 or so. That is where I got mine. Just don't drop the back of the boat or drag it. That is why they engineered the twist and stow rudder.

I figured yours had to bent before I saw the pics because that is what I deal with all the time. But when it is adjusted right it steers like a dream.

jonalford
03-14-2011, 10:29 PM
Thats it man. I might pick one up if I can find one that cheap. After I made that simple adjustment it steers great and is really fast. We are talking about a boat that only weighs 40 pounds.

The Backpacker
03-19-2011, 12:01 AM
Hobie offers an upgrade kit for old style paddle up/down rigs. Its designed for the Adventure model, but i just installed it on an 06 style Outback. Now, it has the T handle style with a locking cleat to keep the "twist n stow" from popping up at speed. Not a fun install; took 3 hours. Im gonna do the same thing to a Revolution, so Ill see if Im able to cut down on the time. As ive found with alot of the Hobie kits, the instructions were less than helpful and didnt have two screws that you need on any model besides the Adventure.
-Tyler

jonalford
03-19-2011, 11:07 AM
Something to think about. That old rudder works great but gets in the way putting it in and taking it out the water.
Thanks